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12-05-2001, 09:06 PM
well I am having a hard time. I was trying to hook up a new recruit.....umm....reserected one and I can't get all the computers to play along with one another. I have an 8 port switch and only 6 computers on, but I can't add anymore.
here's the senerio. I tried to get to the internet with my DFI computer and I couldn't connect. I had 2 ports left open and I just hooked into one. Then I shut all the computers off (had this kinda problem before with less computers, switched the cords on different computers without rebooting the switch) and then one by one I rebooted them. I left the lonly p166
last. I went to get on the internet to see if I had a connection and poof, I couldnt get on. I tried winipcfg and it couldn't reach the DCHP adapter. I dunno, why am I stuck at 6 ports? Will I need to get my 4 port hub out also? I am asking now for I have another on in the works, but if I can't connect I will spend money on a 16 port switch. Thanks
12-06-2001, 12:40 AM
How are you connecting to the internet. If your on any type of DSL or Cable than you are only allowed so many IP addy's. If your behind a router this is a moot point as the router is the only thing that gets an outside IP, the rest get an internal addy as set by the router.
Most ISP's will only let ya have a couple of IP's free of charge and after that they will charge you.
If your using a Router already than check the settings you may be using the defaults which many times are set to 5 users. After that its wont accept anymore machines.
12-06-2001, 07:23 PM
I want to use a coulple of new boxes for UD, is there a way to get results, play games on the network with out going and upgrading my cable service? Some of these computers are just for UD, and are not good for much else and I would hate to closet them for now. Thanks and I hope to figure out a way soon.
12-06-2001, 09:04 PM
Put two NIC's in one machine and set it up to share the internet connection. OR Buy a router and use only one IP addy from your ISP and have your own home network.
12-06-2001, 10:49 PM
even a one port hub will do Cat..
modem to router/router to hub uplink/hub to puters..
set the router up with the cable co's info and all the computers to auto detect ip..it's easy to add another hub as well if need be..just plug one of the 1st hubs ports into the 2nd hubs uplink and so on...
12-07-2001, 03:38 AM
In my office I do what Heretic suggested. Server has to NIC's allowing multiple sharing. So far we have had 9 PC's sharing one Cable connection.
DA way is also a winner. It something I've not tried but will work fine.
12-07-2001, 07:49 PM
hhhmmmm I do have a p166 that I could use. what program do I use to set up the computer as a router? now could I use this computer as a firewall also? I do have zonealarm on all the computers, but the more protection is better.
12-07-2001, 10:08 PM
YEAH the 166 will work. just make sure you have two good NIC's.
As for software I am not sure in that regards. I know others should be able to help you. OR try www.downloads.com or www.twocows.com they seem to have a lot of good free stuff that works.
12-08-2001, 04:17 AM
Winroute pro is a great peice of software, very comprehensive and stable as a software router.... unfortunately not free, but well priced i seem to remember.....
performance wise, i have a client with 45 puters running off it through a cable modem, and it all works great. caching proxy server capability is great!
www.tinysoftware.com i think the URL is..... if not, feel free to shoot me ;)
12-08-2001, 07:35 AM
Ahh, Martz- another Tiny user. I like the products they put out, I have been running Tiny Firewall on a number of my boxes now - very configurable, and I especially like the realtime graphical dispay of port i/o's.
I looked at WinRoute Pro about 5 months ago - an excellent product, I can recommend it too but for my home budget use, too expensive. I plumped for Mailgate, www.mailgate.com in the end as it did everything I needed (proxy server, pop/smtp etc..) and was cheaper.
12-08-2001, 10:13 AM
holy cow shit bat man, I checked out the prices and they are crazy. I did like the winroute, but the lite version was $199.00 for 10 computers:jaw drop: :jaw drop: and 299 for the pro version. ummm linux anyone??? I do thank you for the links, but I really don't need to spend all that money, yet
12-08-2001, 05:48 PM
hmmmm...what's a router go for cat??
you already have the hubs you need..so rather than software wouldn't it be cheaper to just grab a router??
12-08-2001, 09:38 PM
hey all, saw cats just thought i'd give it a read, i agree with da, since you already have the hub, a 2 port router , wont cost more than $50, and using that as your intermediary from your cable/dsl modem to your home network you can expand you network as much as you want, although w/out the cable/dsl company providing ip's you will have to set up a DHCP server or something,
here's something for ya, for $59 , must mention pricewatch,
2 port router, connected to a 4-port 10/100 switch, , built in firewall, dynamic dns. and its built for this sort of thing so the manual will walk you through it.
well catch ya later, sinc. lurch
12-08-2001, 09:53 PM
i did some more looking, what would make life easier is if you had something like this
as price its a bit more, but it gives you an extra 4-ports anyway , it has the built in dhcp server, so thats the only thing that you have to leave on, instead of a pc, and its so easy to hook up i did it with not to much scrap.
although i'm sure that d-link has the same thing for a few bucks less, but i didn't see any in the few moments i looked, i'm sure you could grab something for a bout 50-60 d-link or whatever, anyway catch you later, lurch
12-08-2001, 10:47 PM
Good suggestions guys, I have nothing more to add. Although Cats, if you already have a switch, you could get yourself a no hassle
Linksys BEFSR41 Etherfast 4-Port Cable/DSL Router
It's only $70 after a $10 rebate. Very sweet deal. This baby will auto setup and share your single DSL/Cable to as many as 255 systems. There's the WAN port for that switch hookup and 4 LAN ports for direct system hookup. Too much to talk about, just get it and try it out. Amazon's the best place to test products if you aren't sure, 'cause you can always return it for a full refund.
Just one more thing. In case you need an extra switch or two, I got two choices for ya.
Linksys 100/10 5 Port = $40
Linksys 100/10 8 Port = $54
12-08-2001, 11:31 PM
i've got the befsr41 and gotta say..i love it..
the only probs i've ever encountered are with icq (so that tells ya the firewall is working :D)
but with the two hubs you already have it's an easy go still..
i have two systems before the router running Zone and all others are completely hidden after it..(another thing to note..have found that zone had to be removed to get past the router w/o going in and opening up a bunch of stuff..tho both folding and UD pass beautifully..)
12-08-2001, 11:34 PM
doh..one more thing..
if you're going to use the "uplink" from the router to a hub, you can't use port #1..
but that's not a big deal when you have an 8 port hub :D
12-09-2001, 01:38 AM
Uplink on Port 1? Man, I thought that's what the WAN ports for.
12-09-2001, 12:04 PM
the WAN is where you connect your modem..
uplink is for connecting a hub or another router..
then you have (backwards from the WAN..) 4-3-2-1-uplink..
1 and uplink are shared..so if you're using one, you can't use the other (just like agp and pci 1)
router uplink to hub uplink..(or wan of second router..)
ugh..i'm starting to confuse myself now..:D
12-09-2001, 06:35 PM
great find, one more and final question. How are the wireless routers? I was lookin at the same one you found AS, but wireless. I want to put my wifes computer far from mine (mine get girlly screensavers when she is around:barf: ). DA, if they are good enough for you, then well I can't complain. I just hope the rack gods don't strike me dead for postponing another month;)
12-09-2001, 07:23 PM
wireless looks good, but i haven't tried them..
and it looks like they can add up price wise pal..
each rig has to have one o' them mini-senders(??)
just get a nice long cable (50ft no problem before potential loss of signal integrity so i hear..), but if all it's for is to get her on the net, i'd assume you could go 75-100 safely..
the rack gods will forgive you..
hopefully they'll forgive me for shutting down most of mine now due to power limitations..i really gotta look at getting a seperate wire-up for these babies, but that'll mean "relocation" to another area of the condo..
and about $500 to get things wired up..
12-09-2001, 11:08 PM
my friend has a wireless pretty sweet little setup, his friend has a six computer network on a cable modem, then he's got the wireless modem in a tree outside his window point into my friends basement window two doors down in adjacent back yards to my friend end of the modem which is connected to a switch with 5 more pcs on it, pretty neat litle rig, but he's pumping all those connections through it pretty well, but he has a clean line of site, i'm not sure how they do through walls, but like i said his setup is running great, sinc. lurch
12-20-2001, 07:52 PM
well I just tried winproxy 4.0 and guess what, I have 2 fubar computers and I couldn't get it to work. One computer was toast anyways (nic) and the other I stole the nic to see if I could get it to work, if I did I would get another one. Well I put 2 in one computer. Then I did exactly what winproxy told me to do. I could get new IP's from my client computer and that was it. I couldn't get on the internet or use network neighbor :wtf: I then tried the troubleshooter. I had it set up on a windows 200 machine so then I tried my win 98 to see if I could get it to work. Still a no go and then when I ripped out the nic and put it back into it's original machine, I get BSOD during startup. I think I put the card in the wrong PCI slot. I didn't think that anything like this would happen. Oh well, I am picking up the linksys router tommorow, the best 79 dollars I will spend(best buy and I don't have to wait for shipping)
12-20-2001, 08:18 PM
dont know if it will serve your purposes or not, but check out the new plerf10 (?)
you were asking about wireless earlier and this might be better suited to what you were after..
i'll be grabbing the plerb myself when they come out..
(they are supposed to be coming out soon..and work thru usb i believe)
12-20-2001, 08:21 PM
for you http://www.linksys.com/products/plrouter.asp
for me http://www.linksys.com/products/plbridge.asp
12-20-2001, 08:57 PM
that's pretty cool. I was worried about people hacking into the system, but I guess where there is a will there is a way. Depends on what the cost will be and if it not as expensive as wireless, that might be the solution, and an easy on at that.
12-20-2001, 11:41 PM
unfortunately $$'s are unknown as of yet..
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