Redesigned Celerons coming to market

[muckshifter]

Intel's first Celeron chips based on the architecture behind the Pentium 4 will come out next week, a move that will allow the company to cover the entire PC market with the same chip design.
Intel plans to release 1.7HGz and 1.8GHz Celerons for desktop computers next Wednesday, according to sources. Some new PCs containing the chip will appear next week, but most major PC manufacturers will unfurl budget computers containing the chips for the consumer and corporate markets the following week. That's when a chipset with integrated graphics comes out, which will eliminate the need for a separate graphics chip.

Celerons typically sell for between $64 and $100, less than their Pentium counterparts. The new chips, along with the new 845G chipset, will allow Intel to make the Pentium 4 architecture available for computers of all price ranges

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-909558.html?tag=fd_top

Interesting, is this something to do with the fact that Intel were loosing ground to AMD?

Would like your comments on this. Why did Skamp 'move over' ... ? :D

[James]

It is still a CRIPPLED pentium,innit!

[Tuffie]

Thanks Mucks for the post,it sounds like it could be a good thing for all :D .I have had two Intel chips,the 440BX and now the 815 with ASUS2 and have no complaints.I see that prices are getting more competive,and that's a good thing :lol:

[muckshifter]

Skamp,
For my part there has never been any 'hatred' towards Intel, they were just to dam expensive to build a budget machine with any sort of 'performance' .

James, err, Duron. ;)

Tuff, you do need the new board (845 or whatever) but as far as 'reliability' goes, you can't beat em'. :D

[KaraK]

skamp.. true, some people have lost the plot entirely, I ran into ppl over at FOC who were just f**kin loons about this

[James]

I don't know,but is a duron a CRIPPLED t-bird...or was it designed to be a lower end CPU?Are the dies exactly the same,as the CRIPPLED Celeron and Pentium are? I have never seen a duron but I KNOW a Celeron IS a FAILED Pentium.You tell Me,I respect your knowledge and advice.

If a Duron is,infact a CRIPPLED T-BIRD,I for one will be very disappointed in AMD!

[muckshifter]

I wouldn't use the phrase 'Crippled or Failed' as they are not. It has been said that Intel did use some "not-up-to-par" chips in the Celly range but I doubt it.

No, a Celeron is indeed a CPU in it's own right it is just has a limited cache it's the same with the Duron. They are 'touted' as 'Budget' CPU's ...
As a matter of fact the architectures of Thunderbird and Duron are pretty much identical. The only two differences are the size of the second level cache and the core voltage. Thunderbird comes with 256 kB on-die and full speed L2 cache, while Duron has only got 64 kB of that stuff. In both cases the L2-cache is connected to the core over a 64-bit wide interface. So the Duron was a "better buy", as apposed to the Celly, because of how the L2 cache was implemented.

Most of you will certainly know that Intel's latest Celeron processors at 566 MHz and up are using the so-called 'Coppermine-128' core. This core is identical to the silicon used for Pentium III (E) processors, with half of its L2-cache disabled, resulting in only 128 kB second level cache versus the 256 kB L2-cache of Pentium III. On top of that, Intel is hindering the performance of Celeron by specifying it for a today mediocre 66 MHz bus clock. Only Celeron-overclockers know the real potential of the Celeron, the 'normal' Celeron user finds himself with a chip that is seriously limited by this slow bus clock.

The story is a lot different with AMD's Duron-processor. First of all, Duron is using it's own silicon-design. Duron has only got a quarter of Thunderbird's L2-cache, it's not a Thunderbird-core with 192 kB L2-cache disabled. AMD is taking advantage of the fact that Duron has its own special die, so that saving the actual 192 kB L2-cache leads to a smaller die size of Duron, if you compare it to Thunderbird.

Tom's Hardware (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q2/000619/duron-03.html) has the full story, so I won't go on about it.

I guess what I am saying here is that the Duron is better value for money but if you get the right Celeron and know what your doing ... ;)