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martzweb
06-06-2002, 11:52 AM
Now the FBI is hoping to capture and corral more of our digital detritus in the name of fighting terrorism.

The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday will examine proposed Justice Department guidelines that would give federal investigators new license to mine publicly available databases and monitor Web use. The changes, which come after a major FBI shakeup last week, have sparked intense debate over the merits of expanding government surveillance powers as the country faces ongoing threats of terrorist attacks.

Backers paint the reforms as a long overdue end to restrictions that have hobbled investigators and denied them access to research tools that are available to anyone with an Internet connection. Intelligence failures in the FBI and CIA have come under the spotlight amid new questions about who knew what in advance of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings, which left more than 3,000 people dead.

But civil liberties advocates warn that last week's proposal is the latest step along a worrying path back to the 1950s and '60s--days when investigators compiled dossiers on innocent American citizens based on their religious and political practices.

"I hate to be in a position of telling people 'don't go online and speak' or 'watch what you say,' but you have to take from this that on an arbitrary basis, the FBI is going to be tagging people as terrorists based on what they say online," said Jim Dempsey, deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology.

Since Sept. 11, Congress has enacted legislation that greatly expands law enforcement's ability to monitor communications through the so-called Patriot Act. America's allies have also sought to bolster laws aimed at aiding investigators, with the European Parliament last week approving guidelines that would force Internet companies to preserve data about their sites for possible future investigations.

Last week's FBI guidelines from Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller would allow field agents to gather information outside of criminal investigations, relaxing regulations set in the 1970s.

Those rules, named after then-Attorney General Edward Levi, barred the FBI from attending political meetings unless it had a reasonable suspicion that a crime was being planned.

The new rules, by contrast, would authorize field agents to attend public meetings freely and request warrants with less interference from the main office. In addition, the rules would allow the FBI to monitor public Internet sites, libraries and religious institutions.

A new tool or a throwback?
Agency supporters say lifting of monitoring restrictions opens the gate to investigation tools that have been unaccountably denied to the FBI until now.

In an opinion piece published this week in The Wall Street Journal, L. Gordon Crovitz, Dow Jones' senior vice president of electronic publishing, said his eyes were recently opened to undue restraints on the FBI during the investigation into the death of Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street Journal reporter who was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan this year. In following the case, employees of the paper found that the FBI was restrained from keeping information as rudimentary as news clips, he wrote.

Employees, he said, were "surprised to learn that the FBI's extraordinarily professional, highly trained agents were not given access to the kinds of online research services now common on the desks of cub reporters or junior salespeople."

Privacy advocates, however, say the Net monitoring rule creates greater possibilities than ever before for abuses because technology makes it easier to whittle down people's habits and divide them into patterns that may or may not point to terrorism. The result, they say, could be a crackdown on political dissidents and people who visit anti-American chat rooms.

For years, some people have worried that marketers would profile them in some potentially malevolent way by tracking their Web use. The FBI's involvement potentially raises the stakes.

Technology ranging from data mining to surveillance cameras can be tied together to form an easily searchable database of people's religious, political and personal preferences. This enables the FBI, based on a hunch, to investigate--and possibly jail--people.

Law enforcement for the most part has always been able to get information through a third party, such as a database company or an Internet service provider, via methods including subpoenas.

However, the relaxed guidelines would let the FBI conduct investigations in publicly available nooks of the Web even if they aren't looking at a specific suspect or crime.

"Such an approach to police authority in the United States is directly contrary to the First and Fourth Amendment and the system of checks and balances established by our form of government," a group of organizations including the American Library Association, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the Arab American Institute wrote in a letter this week to Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

"We are also concerned that the changes authorize unchecked surveillance of lawful religious and political activity, and that such surveillance will be targeted against Arab-Americans, Muslims and immigrants among others," the letter said.

Others say the new surveillance culture is the price we have to pay to be safe in a post-Sept. 11 world.

"The first business of government is to protect its citizens from the kind of threats we saw on Sept. 11," said Roger Pilon, vice president for legal affairs at the Cato Institute. "Nothing in these new guidelines in any way is in violation of constitutional protections. There's nothing illegal about compiling a dossier."

Pilon compares the FBI's plan for more patrolling of public Web spaces to a beat cop walking the neighborhood.

"It has been objected that this will allow agents to monitor perfectly legal behavior--that's true," he said. "The cop working the beat observes legal behavior. The reason for walking the beat is to engage in a more proactive effort to prevent crime."

Caught in the middle
Meanwhile, those who compile databases are grappling with the plan, wondering if they're going to be forced into the role of skippers on new FBI fishing expeditions.

Jerry Cerasale, senior vice president of government affairs for the Direct Marketing Association, said his group is still crafting a response to the FBI proposal.

"Our guidelines say marketing data can be used for marketing purposes only," he said. "This is a new twist."

Cerasale said his members have long had to balance law enforcement needs with privacy rights, but until now, the process has involved a subpoena.

"You don't just give out an address to law enforcement officials, although the FBI would like that to happen," he said.

Furthermore, previous attempts to tie databases to crime have often failed, underscoring the risks of relying on technology as a cop.

For example, Cerasale said that despite protests from his group, the IRS eventually got its hands on the list of subscribers to Car and Driver Magazine, hoping to catch tax cheats by scouring groups of people interested in expensive cars. However, the search led to little more than a few teenage car fans who hadn't filed taxes, Cerasale said.

The incident is cited as one more example of the limitations of technology. And the list of failed searches for a silver cyberbullet grows longer by the day. Some airports, for example, have removed face-recognition technology after it failed to identify people more than half the time.

What's more, law enforcement's reliance on technology has actually tripped up some investigations. According to internal FBI documents obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Council, a privacy watchdog, glitches in the Carnivore snooping system--namely, the over-collection of information on innocent individuals--led to the destruction of e-mails from a subject with ties to Osama bin Laden.

But all the hand-wringing over information gathering may be for naught if cops can't connect the dots on the data they do collect. A series of revelations in recent weeks has shown that the FBI and CIA had gathered data hinting or warning of the Sept. 11 attacks but failed to coordinate and respond to the information.

In one case, investigators overlooked a memo from a Phoenix field office warning that potential terrorists were enrolling in flight schools. In another case, a Minneapolis agent told FBI Director Mueller that bureaucratic bungles thwarted her investigation into the so-called 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui.

"I think the lesson of the last month or so--the revelations of the government's handling of the bits of information it had--is that there was not a failure at the information-gathering level," said Lee Tien, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). "There was a failure of information going to the right place."

The problem is so severe that the Senate and House intelligence committees are beginning an in-depth series of meeting into the matter this week.

That's not to say that technology can't play an important part in nabbing suspected terrorists. Police have caught rapists and murderers by retracing digital footprints as mundane as a subway card reader. FBI agents have used the Web to snare child pornographers and drug dealers.

And on Tuesday, FBI Director Mueller gave another nod to the tech world, announcing the appointment of longtime IBM executive Wilson Lowery as his special assistant to oversee the agency's restructuring.

"He combines the precision and insight of a chief financial officer with the vision and leadership of an executive comfortable with change, technology and global issues, " Mueller said in a statement about Lowery.

But the focus on technology still doesn't solve the basic problems, says the EFF's Tien.

"The continual question of 'can't we do more with technology?' I think really misses the point," Tien said. "The weakest link in our intelligence is a lack of understanding of what's going on, on the ground. There is no quick fix."

Source : Lisa M Bowman - ZDNEWS Special

Tuffie
06-06-2002, 12:36 PM
I have been watching this with interest,not that I have anything to hide,but there is a fine line here.One can understand the desire to stop terrorist before they can do harm,however if it becomes law,it leaves a lot of doors open for abuse.

I find it quite similar to the police stopping a vehicle without cause,or breaking down the door only to find they have the wrong house.I guess we can only hope that common sense prevails,but that's probably asking for a lot :confused:

Dramen
06-06-2002, 01:38 PM
We do need active measures to combat all terrorism/crime...and their will always be those who choose to abuse power...just as their will always be those who choose to abuse humanity.
I think the world (America for sure) has let things slide for much too long..we always try and play catch up, fix it after it's broke. But this time a safer, "polite" middle ground may be a bit too late, too little. Can we fight those who would destroy us on "our terms", with civility and justice, fair play. Do we need to be as ruthless as those who have no regard for human life? And if so, can we still do this and remain unintrusive to the people's privacy?

I don't like it one bit, wish with all my might it could be different, but I don't think so, not anymore. We will all pay a price for our complacency concerning terrorists and those who support it, we were forwarned years ago...

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Tuffie
06-06-2002, 02:38 PM
I have to agree with most of what your saying,and it is quite clear now that had it not have been for the errors that were made by the FBI, and CIA and others,it is very possible that the tragedy could have been prevented.There has always been infighting in those agencies,one always trying to outdo the other.

We can only hope that they will now work together,and the newly created Homeland Security can get things organized.That will never be until the President gives someone that much authority,and at this point I don't see that happening.I would hate to be one or more of the agents that could have prevented 9/11 if they had worked together.

Mad dog
06-06-2002, 07:39 PM
There is only one reason that this could be argued as a bad thing. The possibility for missuse. Of course this is only a possilbility and a small one. The reason that police officers or law enforcment officials take unorthodox messures or abuse the systems as it is, is because their hands are tied to do what they know needs doing. They aren't properly respected as the professionals they are. Yes there are instances of corrupt officers but there are far more honest and decent ones out there. (i've worked in a police station and the ammout of burocracy and paperwork they have to go through is just daft.

If a system can be set up where intelligence agencies and law enforcment agencies are free to do what is needed but using due process, and that is not open to abuse, then there is nothing wrong with monitoring every digital transaction and every phone call in the world. Since after all, if your not quilty, what have you got to hide. Yes there may be personal private information, but(and this is a big but, in fact it's so big, it's the crux of the issue) so long as that information can never be used against you, does it really matter. It may be unnerving for some people, but they will adapt.

Dramen
06-06-2002, 08:10 PM
Mad Dog

I agree with alot of what you said, It seems to me we have to start trusting our leaders and law enforcement agencies and the people that carry out the instruments of law more so now then ever before. In fact I believe that the lack of trust and faith and too many witch hunters has led to a overall weaking of their abilities to do the job. We need to start letting people do their jobs without so much damn interference, and the list of those that have had their ability to act, to do what they believe is neccessary is not limited to the above but also includes parents, teachers, priests...
We need to have faith that for the most part all these entities want to do the right thing, are able to, and will. Too many unscroupulous media hounds/witch hunters/paranoid activists are usurping the power of us all to do our individual jobs.

Mad dog
06-06-2002, 09:00 PM
We should trust our law enforcment agencies and profesional services because they are profesionals. They are trainned to do a job and are trainned well. However our leaders an politicians should not be trusted as they are not professionals and have not been given any more trainning for their position than any of us. They simply have more experience and the desire to be where they are. Well maybee 'not trusting' isn't what i really mean. It's not the right choice of words. We should be carefull with these people, and not let them have too much power. Power to the people.

People we shoudln't trust at all are the media. I'm talking about the ones who will do anything to get a story and will sell anything to make a buck. They have little repect for privacy or dignity, nor do they understand the situations which they feel qualified to critisise.