Help needed, ethernet via Twisted cable

[gandalf]

I've got two ethernet cards, on two computers both running dual-boot (Win98 & WinXP). They're connected with twisted cable, and protoclos are set, but it does not work right. I can only see shared files in Network Neig. of comp i'm running. Cable is correct, i have double checked it. Maybe it is too long? It's about 5m. Cards are D-Link DE220 & Planet ( Realtek 8139). Any help?

[Thesittingduck2]

Gandalf.
By nature Win98 does not have networking wizard and if you import it from another pc it is not always very stable.
I am infact working on a related subject.
I will be back later to night with my solution...hopefully

If all fails you can always trust MS to FUBAR

[Dramen]

Originally posted by gandalf
I can only see shared files in Network Neig. of comp i'm running.

Hi gandalf, welcome to bbf.
Not sure what you mean?

Which PC/OS shows the shared folders and which one doesn't?

[Thesittingduck2]

My ques would be the win98 ?

[TheHeretic]

Many of the newer NIC's do not need a twisted pair cable. This may not be the problem though. Try it with a straight cable if you have one. As for the length you are fine. you can go about 100m before you need to amplify the signal to avoid signal loss.

short of that it is possible that one of them is not in the same subnet. under Win you must be in the same subnet to see other machines.

I suppose you have checked to see that you have the right protocols installed. i.e. TCP/IP and MS VPN.

just tossing ideas.


TheHeretic

[BeerCheeze]

For what you are running you need is a cross over cable, and to install NetBeui. Make sure both computers are in the same workgroup and you should be set.

It's really pretty easy!

[TJM4FUN]

From what little info is posted, I would surmise the following:

1. since one machine can see the other, the hardware is ok, and both nic's are working in their machines.

2. I would quess that the xp machine sees the w98 machine, as this is the typical scenario.

So based on this info, he problem lies in the xp end, in that hyou don;t have the shares set correctly for the other machine.
XP is not like w98, it is like win2k, you need to setup users and passwords for the other machine to see the files there.
You may want to look thru the site:
http://www.practicallynetworked.com

for information on these types of problems.

[gandalf]

Ok, I can see I was not very clear... So, here it goes again: I have two computers, and both have NICs. They're connected with cat 5 cable, twisted pair. Now, I screw it by not using twisted pairs on cable. So, i have ironed the cables on NICs, and net is working just fine in Win98 (TCP/IP and NetBEUI, haven't tested IPX yet). And now, the newest problem: Both comps are running XP & 98SE. Now, I cannot make it work in XP. So i'll just try that stuff with users. Thanx for help. I'll write if I don't fix it. Special thanx for welcome :)

[Case]

Nice link tjm4fun. I think I'll be over there a bit. Good luck gandalf, and welcome again!

~Case

[BeerCheeze]

OOO, sorry gandalf I misunderstood.

There are many reported problems like that! Give this a look over and see if it helps:
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/specificbroblems.htm

[gandalf]

Ok, everything is working just fine in Win98, but I still cannot connect the XPs. So when both computers are running XP, connection exists, and both comps show that net icon down the clock, and both are sending some data. But none is receiving. What should i do to connect them? I'm preety shure that cables and settins of TCP/IP are correct. Or, does it have any connection with users or groups? Thanx a lot.

[Dramen]

If you click on "properties" and then select "status" for your network connection you should see both sent and received packets.

Can you see the computers when you open explorer and click on My Network Places, then click on, Entire Network, then click on Microsoft Windows Network?

If you made a folder for sharing see if you can connect by mapping a network drive.

Have you made any changes to startup services, for example "computer browser", network connection", they should be set to automatic.

[gandalf]

I see the connection icon. It says connected, and only some number for sent packets. I do not see any shared folders in Network places from other computer, or in other words, i see only shared files from current comp. Pinging does not work. It says: Request timed out. What should i do and check? Thanks in forward.

[gandalf]

All services running ok. Cannot map net drive

[gandalf]

Problem solved :D It was in manual setting of net speed. After i did it, every thing just flew :)

[Dramen]

Hey good for you gandalf. So I take it the nic/s are 10/100 and you needed to manually set the transfer speed?

[gandalf]

Yes, one is Realtek (Prolink) 10/100 UTP, and other is D-Link DE-220P 10 Mbit UTP/BNC. Just wanna thanx for all help!

[Dramen]

Now, all ya need is a switch and your network can do 100Mbit ;) Seriously, glad ya followed up and posted the fix because it will come in handy for someone else someday. Hope to see more of you here. :)

[gandalf]

Can't it work at 100Mbit if I have two 10/100 Mbit cards? Cuz I would like to buy one :) I mean 700kb/sec is preety sloooow... I'd like more something like 3-4Mb in sec :D Oh, yeah, anyone needing help with this stuff feel free to mail me :)

[TJM4FUN]

Yes it will work point to point at 100 mbit if both cards are capable. you don't need a switch.

[martzweb]

Also make sure that both cards are capable of going at full duplex rate, as this has quite an effect on network performance as well.