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    Cooler Antartica foils meltdown forecasts


    PARIS (Agence France-Presse) — Parts of Antarctica have cooled sharply in recent years, a finding that counters doomsday perceptions that the frozen continent faces imminent meltdown from global warming, according to a study published yesterday.

    Measurements taken by weather stations in the McMurdo Dry Valleys, the largest ice-free area in Antarctica, show that on average this region cooled by .125 Fahrenheit per year between 1986 and 2000, it said.

    The cooling was especially strong during the autumn and summer seasons, and had a destructive effect on the fragile local ecosystem, it said.

    The research, published online by Nature, the British weekly science journal, was led by Peter Doran of the department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

    In a phone interview, Mr. Doran said the findings did not conflict with the mounting evidence that the world's overall average surface temperature is rising steadily as a result of burning fossil fuels.

    "However, what people have not pointed out before is that Antarctica is the only continent on earth that by and large is cooling, whereas the other continents are warming," he said.

    Antarctica could be the exception because of the complex interplay between ocean currents, he suggested.

    Changes to the ocean convection system — through global warming — may be cooling the Southern Ocean, the chilly sea that circulates around Antarctica and is a major factor in the continent's frigid climate, he said.

    The image of a cooler Antarctica contrasts with the popular fear that the continent's ice cap faces imminent destruction from man-made climate change.

    Substantially higher temperatures would indeed cause the cap to crack up and melt, a scenario that would reverberate around the planet's climate system and cause sea levels to rise dramatically.

    But that perception, suggested Mr. Doran, is a distorted one, likely generated because most weather monitoring stations are based in the Antarctic Peninsula — the tongue of land projecting northward from the continent toward South America and not indicative of conditions on the entire continent.

    "Because the peninsula is so easily accessible, a lot of countries have stations there and are measuring the weather there. And it is warming there; it is warming dramatically," he said.
    That measurement put together with the continental data gives people a skewed understanding.

    According to Mr. Doran, "You average it all out, people say, 'Oh, the continental average is warming,' but it's being affected by that strong peninsula warming detected by the many monitoring stations there."

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    It's really odd how you get different slants from different sources:

    Mr. Doran stressed that although scientists could not explain the falling temperatures, the research "does not change the fact that the planet has warmed up on the whole. The findings simply point out that Antarctica is not responding as expected."

    The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has concluded that there has been a net rise in global air temperature of 0.1 degree Fahrenheit per decade in the 20th century, a calculation that includes the Antarctic data.

    Mr. Doran also warned that "you don't want to overstate the effects" of the cooling trend, because any rise in sea level caused by global warming this century is expected to come from thermal expansion of existing oceans and not from any theoretical melting of the southern ice cap.

    'International Herald Tribune'

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    All this struggle for cleaner burning cars but yet we still use a fuel that IMO can't burn that much cleaner than what we have "Tweaked" our cars to today.
    There is an answer..ALTERNATIVE FUELS!

    I was reading on Ford's Page, GM's and others. They have "ALTERNATIVE" Cars but do not mass produce them and they are more expensive than the "AVERAGE" car/Truck.

    If they would lower the prices of ALTERNATIVE fuel Cars I would buy one.

    This warming trend is our own damn fault!

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    Our own Damn Fault

    I agree with you on that one Z, but there are very few nations with laws to protect the air. GM, and the others are basing theitr futures on "fuel Cell" technology, that uses Hydrogen. Pity it took the realization that dependance on foreign Oil to make it a catayst, rather than clean air, and land for generations to come.

    Nonetheless, it will become cheaper, especially if Oil continues to Rise. The 'inguenious' ones in Greater Arabia should sit back and take notice, before they price themselves out of anybody's economies. Yes, I know that OPEC is more than the middle east, but the principal powermongers are there.

    Hydrogen powered cars is not a new Idea. I remember reading about it in the 1970's in omni magazine, being developed by a man in Billings Montana. Each prototype was several hundred thousands of dollars, and each fuel cell had to be built by hand.

    But there were no PC's then, either..Now, You and I build those by hand. :toocool:

    Detroit's estimates are 2010-2012 for general deployment of the Hydrogen vehicle. And that actually makes sense, as they must allow the supporting infrastructures to be set up, or they end up a product that nobody has "batteries" for.. But I do belive that the other automakers about the world will not let them be the only ones to market, and so competition may help them along faster.

    I too, will buy a hydrogen car, almost the moment they are available. Not just because of foreign Oil, but because it's just better for the world, and for my country, and my neighbors, human, and otherwise.

    My personal $.02

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    Being very careful not to tar everyone with the same brush, but it's very refreshing, from a European point of view to see USA citizens supporting clean air issues.
    I was devasted when the US pulled out of the Kyoto treaty.

    As I said at the beiginning, no offense intended or implied to my US friends

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    Not only autos, but it's the 21st century, don't we have the technology to do something about this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/15/sc...th/15FIRE.html

    Seems like this is our home, but some would rather be rich or stylish than healthy. I switched from 4X4 to compact, of course the roads to my favorite hiking places are paved now. This is both good and bad, I don't need a gas guzzler, but there are more cars there. I'll put up with the crowds if everyone would stop driving those 13mpg and below vehicles (my 4X4 got 20). Present car gets better.

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    well one thing is and bits dropped on it briefly , is that in america we have some very strict laws about industry and how plants make things, which is why they shipped them all out to third world countries who since they can't afford to eat could care less about clean industry or using a catalitic converter or anything like that, but since the companies are all owned by people in rich countries such as ours, what are we to do, someone has got to take responsibility and we have to accept that the company is just going to pass the bill to us, if you want clean industry , you are going to have to pay for it, all of the things on a day to day basis will help greatly also, but that wont be worth jack unless we do something about textile mills in brazil dumpin asenic into the rivers with carbon monoxide shooting out of the stacks, just my thoughts sinc. lurch

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