I just recieved my new XP 2600 Tbred.
AXDA2600DKV4D 9320855260087
AIUHB 03023PAW
Ok break it down for me. What did I just get?
I just recieved my new XP 2600 Tbred.
AXDA2600DKV4D 9320855260087
AIUHB 03023PAW
Ok break it down for me. What did I just get?
Look here:
http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/6337
Looks as tho you got a 2083/333 chip.
RussH
AXDA2600DKV4D 9320855260087
AIUHB 03023PAW
I ain't no expert, but it is a 2600+.
D = Package Type (D=OPGA)
The K means its' default VCORE is 1.65V
MAX Die Temperature (T=90 Degrees Celsius, V=85 Degrees Celsius)
The 4 should mean 512MB of Cache, but that ain't right! ( or does it? highly unlikely, unless this is a new Barton stepping and they are no longer making 2600+ TBreds ( WCPUID will tell you once you install it. I doubt it is but who knows! ) )
ref - http://www.amdboard.com/amdid.html
The 0087 is supposed to represent where in the batch run this chip came from, the lower the better. 0087 means it was the 87th processor in this particular batch. That should be good, 87 is pretty low.
The stepping is AIUHB, the week of manufacture is the 2nd week of '03.
Well I'm confused. Acording to Abit, my KX7-333R mobo with the b6 Bios, should auto detect a 2600+ and give it the required multiplier. Well it didn't. First boot was to a black screen. Shut down and cold boot and I was able to get in the BIOS. BIOS cleard the cmos and auto loaded the defaults. Multiplier will only go up to 13. And if I'm correct, the 2600+ has a 266 FSB (Barton has 333 FSB?)
Right now at 133*13 I should be at 1.729 but System properties shows 1.67.
Maybe I should install WCPUID and see what it says.
0-60, help me fine tune this mobo please
Also installed Corsair XMS PC3200 512MB.
The 2600+, 266MHz version, will run at 2133MHz.
The 2600+, 333MHz version, will run at 2083MHz.
We'll no doubt see more situations like this as the number of 333MHz processors expands.
The way you tell these apart by OPN is that the 266MHz processors will always have an OPN that ends in "C," while the 333MHz processors will always have an OPN that ends in "D."
Looks to me that yours ends with a D, which is a 333.
No prob, let us know how it runs when ya get it all sorted out.
According to THIS, the KX7-333R only supports the 266mhz chip.
....gave proof through the night that our flag was still there
So Ralph, the default is sposed to be 12.5 x 166.
So why don't you just go in to BIOS, Soft Menu III, CPU Operating Speed, set it to User Define and then dial in 166 ( to start)
Leave the multiplier at 12.5 for now. That should get you to stock speeds for this chip.
Acording to THIS Thread, people are putting in much higher than a 2600+. Some are using a 2800+ Barton.
I'm gonna take this slow and see what happens.
Right now I'm at 140*12.5=1754.8.
How's the divider thing work?
What ram settings should I change?
Right now the ram settings are all at failsafe, so I know I could improve some there.
I haven't done the u-wire trick yet either. What exactly does that accomplish with the tbreds?
Should I do it?
Originally posted by ralpha6
I'm gonna take this slow and see what happens.
Right now I'm at 140*12.5=1754.8.
How's the divider thing work?
What ram settings should I change?
Right now the ram settings are all at failsafe, so I know I could improve some there.
divider thing -
http://www.bitbenderforums.com/vb22/...076#post257076
RAM settings - http://www.corsairmicro.com/main/pro...512-3200c2.pdf
As far as the wire trick - depends. Can you change the multiplier and have the machine boot with that change. ( For instance can you change it to 11 x 133? and boot at that setting? ) If so, you don't need it. If not, I'd say yes.
I would think at some point the goal is to be able to run at, say, 200x12, or 205 x 11.5 or whatever. All depends on what you want to do.
You'll be wanting to drop the multiplier and increase the FSB.
What exactly does that accomplish with the tbreds?Originally posted by ralpha6
I haven't done the u-wire trick yet either. What exactly does that accomplish with the tbreds?
Should I do it?
All TBred Bs are already unlocked. However, not all mobos can manipulate the multipliers. For those that can't, the wire trick helps and will let you access the multipliers from 12.5 down to 5 .
Your chip is supposed to run at 12.5 x 166 MHz. Your RAM is capable of 200 (+) MHz.
I'd rather run at 208 MHz x 10, than 166 MHz x 12.5. Much more bandwidth.
I have no experience with a chip that comes from the factory with a FSB of 166 (333MHz). I'm not sure how they are different.
Thanks for the links Scott.
I was reading your explanation in LP's thread as you were typing thisGood explanation!
I'll have to venture over to corsairmicro and check some things out.
Should I optimize my ram settings before going any further with FSB/mulitplier settings? Or should I leave them at default (failsafe)?
I'll try lowering the multiplier next reboot. I can access all the multipliers down to 5, whether it'll boot or not I don't know. Right now I'm at 145*12.5=1817 and still at 51C full load.
yes, by all means, optimize your RAM settings. and you also want 4-bank interleave. for the speed you're at right now, and for quite a ways up, go with 2-2-2-6 amd 4 bank interleave. That RAM is rated for 2-2-2-6 at 166 MHz, you are a ways away from that ( though I'm not sure why ). It is rated for 2-3-3-6 at 200 MHz. Go for it, you can't hurt it.
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"whether it'll boot or not I don't know"
that is the big question. if it can't then that means you'll have to do the wire deal ( which is really pretty easy, cept for the piece will be small. you want it the right length but no more. it just has to go in the 2 indicated holes, and ya want no slack. i just kinda made a U, with a flat bottom and shorts sides. the cpu will sit down on top of it, so you can see why you want no slack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------what hsf and system cooling do you have? 51C seems a bit high for where you're at.
I don't think you'll want to run the KX7-333R at 166mhz fsb. That board does not have a 1/5 divider, therefore when running 166mhz fsb, you'll be running your pci at 41.5mhz (166/4) and your AGP at 82mhz. I ran the board at 150 just to be safe.
I thought it did, too.
Ooops............let me remove my head out of my AS*. I was thinking of the KR7A. Sorry.Originally posted by ralpha6
The bios shows the divider, it doesn't work? It's in there.
HSF is Volcano 9+
Just do as Scott says.
Last edited by 026TB4U; 06-19-2003 at 08:14 AM.
Remember there was talk of a possible 6:2:1 divider? It doesn't have that.
Here is a shot of my 1st KX7333R
that last one says, 2600+, but it is a 2400
here is a shot of my 2nd KX7333R
I believe I have a 2200 in there
I started to mess with the Ram settings and I changed everything I thought I was supposed (without reading anything of course) and Windows booted up to "last known, safe mode etc." No matter what I picked, the same screen came up.
So I went into the bios and loaded failsafe defaults and upped the fsb back to 145 and it rebooted normally.
A reboot later and I dropped the multiplier down to 10 and it booted up fine, so I'm assuming that I don't need to do the u-wire trick, correct?
WCPUID shows 10*145=1450 so it did in fact take.
cool. so, while leaving the multiplier alone for now, change the FSB to 166 ( for now ).
Can you clarify for me why you'd rather run at a lower multiplier and higher FSB rather than the other way around. This is all new to me
I think it's because having more mem bandwidth it more important than pure clockspeed?
Thanks Furton, makes sense.
Realistically, how far can I push the FSB with a 5-2-1 divider? I had to manually change it from 4-2-1.
well, look at it this way.
if you run at 185 MHz FSB/five, that would be a PCI bus of 37 ( normal is 33 ), roughly equivalent to running a FSB of 148 w a 4:2:1 divider.
If you run with a FSB of 185 x 12.5 that would give you a system speed of 2312 MHz.
If you run at 180 MHz x 12.5 that would be a PCI bus speed of 36, roughly equivalent to running a FSB of 144 w a 4:2:1 divider, yielding a 2250 MHz system speed.
Higher FSB will give you more memory bandwidth and better overall system performance ( generally speaking and within reason ).
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A reboot later and I dropped the multiplier down to 10 and it booted up fine, so I'm assuming that I don't need to do the u-wire trick, correct?
Yep, looks like that's the case. Good.
Makes me wonder if you have the higher multipliers, too. Which would be useful if you didn't have such good RAM capable of high speed. Might even be useful with good RAM, in some situations.
LOL 13.5 x 180...
How good is your cooling? How good is that chip?
Last edited by serlv; 06-19-2003 at 11:47 PM.
Cool, I understand now.
I'm at 175*10 right now.
I still have the Ram at failsafe tho
There is a 13 multiplier, but when I select it, it doesn't take. Reports as 12.5. What's the 2600+ 333FSB chip's default multiplier?
Temps have remained the same since I installed this cpuhow much higher I can go with my Volcano 9+
Why not set the RAM at 2 - 3 - 3 - 6 for now? That is very good RAM. It should run those settings with ease.
12.5What's the 2600+ 333FSB chip's default multiplier?
166 x12.5 = 2083
Have you tried 11, or 12 x 175, yet?
Haven't touched the multiplier yet. Still at 10
What settings do I need to change for the ram?
Cas Latency to 2 for starters. Also, you'll want 4 bank interleave selected.
tRCD=RAS to CAS delay >> 2 or 3 , problably 3 for now
tRP=RAS Precharge >> 2 0r 3 , problably 3 for now
tRAS= Active to Precharge , problably 6 for now
I highly recommend taking 10 or 15 minutes and going through this presentation.
http://www.corsairmicro.com/memory_b...707/index.html
Hope that helps.
Scott
Try 4's,even is better
All that is gold does not glitter,not all those who wander are lost ....
Yeah, why not keep going up til you, at the very least, get to the speed of that chip. 190 x 11 will put you at 2090, pretty close to the default speed of that chip. 180,184,....188. Got to find your limits with the FSB.
Then you can find your limits with a combo of FSB and multipliers
Have you imaged your C: drive yet, Ralph? Do you use Drive Image?
2 Ghz baby!
I've finally ventured into the land!
Is that the first time for you, Ralph?
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Excellent! That is right where that chip is rated for (2083 MHz), but with better memory bandwidth.
12.5 x 166 MHz vs 188 MHz x 11
I'd make a fresh drive image and investigate some more after.
188 x 12 ? 200 x 10.5 ( or 11 ? or 11.5 ?), Higher ?
You're the only one who can find out.
Good going, you're on the right track.
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Don't forget to make that image!
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Remember, if a setting doesn't work, you may just need to give the CPU just a little more VCore.
What are your memory settings at?
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