What are you using for that? Pretty much everything I've looked at in this arena so far has been about getting lots of little systems onto big-ish hardware, not getting a big-iron system running on little desktop hardware.
What are you using for that? Pretty much everything I've looked at in this arena so far has been about getting lots of little systems onto big-ish hardware, not getting a big-iron system running on little desktop hardware.
Power is something that should be given to those who need it to serve and withheld from those who seek it to rule.
There are emulators - they can run on Windows or Nix - I like Nix - using Windows costs 60% of the resource and only allows 40% for emulation. Using Nix, it's 65% for emulation and 35% overhead.. The choice was simpleOriginally Posted by Dark Angel
Update:
I got a 700w PSU and installed it
I got a 32gb SSD to put the new system on (It became /dev/sdd in my setup - /dev/sda was where original slack was)
I got a new Slack 13.37 DVD - istalled it to /dev/sdd1/5/6/7 as the organG scrolls indicated.
Once I got 13.37 built on the SSD, things seemed ok, but, the system kept locking up within 2 minutes of booting - every single time - Ok, fine, I dropped the SSD and went ahead and did a fresh install to /dev/sda1/5/6/7/8 (I did not format /home- Lots of data there I needed)
So, here we are;
- /dev/sda1 - /
- /dev/sda5 - swap
- /dev/sda6 - /usr
- /dev/sda7 - /opt
- /dev/sda8 - /home
Data disks
- /dev/sda9 - data vault 1
- /dev/sda10- data vault 2
- /dev/sda11 - data vault 3
- /dev/sdb1 - San # 1
- /dev/sdb2 - San # 2
- /dev/sdc1 - emulation library 1
- /dev/sdc2 - emulation library 2
- /dev/sdc3 - emulation library 3
- /dev/sdd - unplugged.
This one doesn't lock up - but X doesn't work either.
Now, the first time I tried it, I intentionally did it with noveau (or what ever horseshit name it is) - the KDE screen showed up and was working thru, and it locked. ctrl-Alt-Backspace was as effective as Obasturd at stopping the runaway - I had to power cycle it.
Next up, I dismounted all drives except sda1/5/6/7/8 (saves fsck time every frucking time this bastid locks up).
Installed the NVIDIA Driver - Now, I have an updated slackware, and the SAME EXACT PROBLEM I HAD BEFORE!
Ok, that's got to be a hardware problem, either bad RAM or a crapping out vid card or something. What a shit.
Thought: try running a different environment ie XFCE instead of KDE. If the vid card is flaking out the lower requirements of XFCE might let it all come up. If you installed everything it's already there.
Last edited by Dark Angel; 06-01-2012 at 07:51 AM.
So, since I am stupid.. how do i switch to XFCE ?Ok, that's got to be a hardware problem, either bad RAM or a crapping out vid card or something. What a shit.
Thought: try running a different environment ie XFCE instead of KDE. If the vid card is flaking out the lower requirements of XFCE might let it all come up. If you installed everything it's already there.
I added the busid parameter trying to bind the card to the startup - it doesn't crash any more, it fails with "(EE) No devices Detected - Bitbender is an Idiot"
One switches to XFCE by running startxfce4 instead of startx (it has its own startup script that will start the X server if not running, unlike others). It can also be used in .xinitrc instead of startkde or whatever as it detects whether X is running or not.
As for the busid, you should not have to specify that.
It could be the video card.
Well, same result....
Yes, I am really starting to believe it's the card...
ok, dod pammit... I went and got a GE Force GTS450 1024MB DDR5 card for this bitch!
But, I'm as drunk as a sailor now, so it'll be tomorrow before I install it!
Cool, just install the Nvidia drivers again after you boot up with it. Let it write an xorg.conf file.
Even though I went and installed 295.53 today b4 I went and got the card??
It should be fine, but your xorg.conf will be buggered I'm sure (at least generate a new one of those). I just didn't want you second guessing any of that shit. It does zero harm to re-run the Nvidia installer.
I found I had to re-run it after I changed between two nVidia cards on a working system. Some little detail in the xorg.conf didn't like the "new" card I put in. After running the installer again it runs sweet. Go figure.
That was what I was looking for - I am "knowing not" how this bastid affects the kernel, and yea, I know that "tainted" message is simply because Nvidia didn't use the right condom when interfacing...
Lord.. no hangover -- Guess the half gallon of water I drank and doughnut I ate after the jam helped... Lordy they boys played late last nite!! And we was nickin snorts off the jug all along..
Perhaps they had a little sip o sumpin'
You could see the music in their eyes...
The only way it affects the kernel is by compiling (and linking in the binary blob) a big fat kernel module. No load module, no affect kernel. It does replace some OpenGL libraries though, but the Nvidia installer does a good job of detecting the environment and overwrites them accordingly.
This is my stupid moment for 2012..
I had sooo much faith in the card cause it had never seen much use an all, that I never checked it..
*sheesh* - what an iodiot!
Ok startx doesn't crash the system any more and I can CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to get out.. It started to slowly and I do meann SLOWLY paint the screen and then.. it went balck - Cycled thru resolutions, nope...
startxfce4 brought similar performance, but was very very laggy, and painted the screens in blocks versus the hole screen.. Reminds me of a 32mb card.. neat.. really neat.
Edit: Found it - Even thou I old he nvidia installer to write a config file, it did not overlay my old one and I had tried to turn off acceleration along the road... That is why it ran so damn slow...
I still need to find good x parms for the card, but this is a big step forward..
looks like that old card had a bad day
What's worse are the capacitors in my brain that failed me in asking myself to LOOK AT THE CARD first before bothering everyone...looks like that old card had a bad day
No big deal, that happens to all of us
Last time I saw that kind of cap failure was in the younger boyo's old Samsung monitor.
Replaced those caps. Got about another year outta the damn thing before it ate a couple others that hadn't been replaced.
Shitcanned the monitor at that point. Old 24" 4:3 screened jobber had earned it's retirement.
The series of events first led you to look at software (you used that update utility). Then you felt guilty for buying a crummy power supply which caused you to second guess that. However, the symptoms really did point to the video card once we got looking at logs and stuff. I would have likely tried reseating it (without taking it all the way out of the case and examining it) before calling it dead, but I probably would not have looked at the capacitors either and may not have noticed that until the deed was done and it's in my hands. It's relatively rare to see visible damage on a card. Even when it is capacitors you can't always easily see it. (just a little bulge... slightly convex at the top sometimes. You almost can't tell by looking straight down at it)
not to mention these cards mount UPSIDE down and ya can't even see them unless you take it out.
Me beef with my approach was the simplicity of it. Gro said "hardware, just sounds like hardware"... It would have been a extremely simple and quick fix to LOOK.. I know his advice to be among the best I've worked with-but I was a stubborn wanker..
btw - the system flat out hauls ass now...
aaaaand now I'm seeing something similar. Went to wake the machine up and ... nothing. Hmmm ... reset and ... nothing. Complete power down, start back up, fine through console login, "startx" and ... black screen, totally unresponsive. Swap out card (9800GTX) for old(er) one (8600GT) and straight back up like nothing ever happened, no need to even reconfigure X, just right back where it left off. Could still be the PSU getting old and not keeping the voltage up under load I suppose but I think a dud card is more likely.
A lot of Nvidia cards seem to burn up after a year or two of use. Even that solid 8800 GTS card I had, died after 6 months or so after I sold it with a system. It spent most of its chronological life in the closet unused. This man didn't even play games, just Desktop/Aero stuff. (so it was a waste to even give him that older, but nice Nvidia card) The system wasn't dusty, the fan was perfectly good, the room wasn't hot, the system has a very good power supply. The card just... died. I fit him with a cheap ATI Radeon HD 5450 card (~$60) and he doesn't know the difference. That's about as low end of a video card as you can buy.
Yeah, sometimes it just happens. I'll miss the extra frame rate till I get it replaced with something nice but the difference between the 9800 and this 8600 on this flat desktop (not running compiz at the moment and minimal effects) is pretty minimal.
I suppose it could be a dud cap like nUnkle's card. I did look for it but nothing on the card is obviously crapped out and it will take some time to pull and test every cap on the thing, win or lose. meh. I'll hang on to it in case I get excited about trying such monkey business but right now I don't feel lucky enough to make it worth while.
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